I Am an Agnostic and I am Not Lost

by Zoey @ Good Googs on April 3, 2010

It’s Easter. Easter has a lot of different meanings to different people. For us, it’s not religious. It’s about easter eggs, bunnies and a long weekend. I caught a few snippets of some comments made by the Australian Clergy during their Good Friday sermons. Is there anything that Twitter isn’t good for?

Some of these were re-iterated here in this article:

Sydney Anglican Archbishop Peter Jensen on Friday describing non-belief as a

  • “human assault on God”
  • every bit of a religious commitment as Christianity itself.

Don’t worry it get’s worse:

The new Catholic Bishop of Parramatta -  Anthony Fisher:

“Last century we tried godlessness on a grand scale and the effects were devastating: Nazism, Stalinism, Pol Pot-ery, mass murder, abortion and broken relationships – all promoted by state-imposed atheism”

And then it just gets weird (thanks Cardinal George Pell):

there are no community services sponsored by atheists

Firstly, I’m going to shock you all by agreeing with Jensen, I believe that atheism is just as much a religion as any other faith. It still requires a leap of faith, because you can’t prove that God doesn’t exist, any more than you can prove that God does exist. You can believe it, to the core of your being, but that is a matter of faith, not of fact. But an assault on God. Dude, isn’t God infallible, omnipitent, and all powerful? I hardly think God is concerned with a human ‘assault’.

I like how Anthony Fisher has conveniently forgotten the thousands of years of religious wars. And also how he’s put abortion and broken relationships in the same category as mass murder. The fact is no one has never needed an excuse to go to war. And most of the time, it has nothing to do with if you’re a godless heathen or a devout believer. And George? Oh, George. There are such things as non-religious charities. I used to work for one.

This isn’t an attack on religion or people of faith or Christianity (I’m not assaulting you, I promise).

I am an Agnostic. That doesn’t mean I’m a fence sitter. I choose not to have religion or God be a part of my life. I am not lost. I am not sad. I don’t need to be saved. I am happy. I am fulfilled. And I am an agnostic. I wasn’t always an agnostic. Once upon a time I was capable of that giant leap of faith that leads to complete and utter belief. The faith that can’t be proven, but you know in the core of your being. It’s like falling in love. You can’t prove it. But you know it in your very bones. But now, I am no longer able to make that leap. I choose to stand on my own, without faith, without religion and be right with myself. The truth is if I really search my soul, I believe in a higher power, but not in a creationist God. But regardless of what I believe, I don’t want my life wrapped around it, so I don’t.

I have met so many wonderful women of faith through this blog. For some kick-ass awesomeness celebrating faith during Easter you can check out SquiggleMum and Ceaseless Praises. I love that Carrie talks about how sharing her faith with others is a core part of her belief and who she is as a person.  Both Catherine and Carrie prayed for me when I was going through a traumatic period. And I was grateful. Because regardless of what I believe, to have someone care enough about you to include you in their prayers is pretty amazing.

Just because I’m an agnostic doesn’t mean I don’t want to hear about what other people believe, and their experiences.  In fact, that’s exactly what I want to hear. About experience. The way I figure it, tell me what’s in your heart, and I will tell you what’s in mine. I only draw the line where I’m told what should be in my heart. I am not lost. This is the life I have chosen, of my own free will.

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  • Super Sarah

    I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiments about still wanting to hear about other people’s experiences and beliefs. I am a non-practicing high Anglican christian and am more than happy for my daughter to go to church with Grandma because it is something that means a great deal to my mother-in-law but when Amy asks me awkward questions about religion I am finding it hard not to tell her ‘my’ truth as I see it. What are you going to tell Riley as she gets older?

    • http://goodgoog.com Zoey @ Good Goog

      I think it’s great that Amy is involved in church – religion has so many protective factors for children – they are less likely to get involved with drugs in later life and tend to have better self-esteem for example – and I think a lot of that is to do with feeling part of a community. So given that we don’t go to church, I’ll focus some attention on participating in community outside of church. But I think it’s ok to tell Riley when she gets older that I don’t really know what the answer is. I’m comfortable presenting her with the different ideas that different religions present and allowing her to explore them if she’s interested.
      .-= Zoey @ Good Goog´s last blog ..Easter Egg Hunt =-.

  • treacy

    I admit Zoey I was really disappointed when I saw that you had written a post about being agnostic and easter. I thought, “here we go another of my friends bagging out my religion” but you haven’t done that, you have been very respectful which I appreciate.

    I don’t have much else to say and I hope that didn’t sound condescending.

    • http://goodgoog.com Zoey @ Good Goog

      I’m sorry if the post seemed inappropriately timed. I understand that Easter is a sacred event to many. And me and my Easter egg hunts seem frivolous by comparison. But I’m glad that on reading it, you found it respectful.

      • http://Keepingmumsane.wordpress.com Treacy

        No you’re alright. I’m just too sensitive.
        .-= Treacy´s last blog ..beautiful blogger award =-.

        • http://goodgoog.com Zoey @ Good Goog

          No such thing. I treasure sensitivity in all its forms.

  • http://www.ahthepossibilities.com Seraphim

    I loved this post. I wrote a long comment and just deleted it. But I will sa,y I respect your beliefs just as much as you respect mine. No wonder I like you! Happy Easter!

    • http://goodgoog.com Zoey @ Good Goog

      Happy Easter!

  • http://doireallywannablog.blogspot.com/ Thea

    This is such a wonderful post! I was going to post a rant about Easter and people celebrating what is ‘supposed’ to be a Christian festival when they are non-believers….but your way is so much better. I’m not posting, I’m not going to be grumpy. If everyone was respectful of everyone’s beliefs there would be no wars. x
    .-= Thea´s last blog ..Australia Zoo =-.

    • http://goodgoog.com Zoey @ Good Goog

      Thanks Thea – I’m honoured!

    • http://wisdomofthemoon.blogspot.com/ Wendy

      I agree about this being the best way to deal with differences in theology. I myself had plans to write my own rant about why Christians celebrate Christ’s resurrection with a holiday named after a pagan goddess of spring (Eostre) and obvious fertility symbols like eggs and rabbits.

      But Zoey is right, it is so much better when we each celebrate what we feel in our hearts and not judge what others choose to do.

      I hope everyone had a wonderful celebration on Sunday, whatever it’s meaning to you and your family!
      .-= Wendy´s last blog ..Wakey Wakey, Let’s Have Cakey* =-.

  • http://www.writingloud.blogspot.com Megan at Writing Out Loud

    Great post, Zoey. It’s so important to be respectful of others’ beliefs and choices and, even more importantly, to try to understand them. xo
    .-= Megan at Writing Out Loud´s last blog ..Farewell Gluten Free =-.

    • http://goodgoog.com Zoey @ Good Goog

      I agree ;o) I think it can be too easy to approach these things with a black and white attitude. I don’t do black and white, except in shoes, bags and clothes.

  • http://fe.org.au Fe

    Zoey… this is such a wonderful and caring post.

    As an athiest myself, I’ve been quite p*ssed off with the Australian church leaders’ recent comments (that you quoted above).

    As the mother of a child in the catholic school system (who knows that he has a catholic father and an athiest mother), I’ve been disappointed with the sermons that my son has had to listen to damning athiests as the cause of much of the worlds’ problems.

    I am never judgemental about others’ beliefs… but I feel that it has become acceptable for many religious folk to judge “non-believers” in a harsh and cruel light.

    I wish that others’ would respect my non-belief as much as i respect their beliefs.
    .-= Fe´s last blog ..I can see! I can see! =-.

    • http://goodgoog.com Zoey @ Good Goog

      I think it can be an easy place to put the blame because (although there was an Atheist conference in Melbourne recently) generally, Atheists are not an organised group like religion, so it can be difficult for their voice to get out there.

  • http://michelledevans.blogspot.com Michelle

    I love your honesty. I believe it is God who has given you that free will. xx
    .-= Michelle´s last blog ..Drift =-.

    • http://goodgoog.com Zoey @ Good Goog

      Thanks Michelle. I do believe it is a gift from a higher power, so on that we agree (almost) ;o)

  • http://lifeslightlyused.wordpress.com/ april

    thank you for this :) was needed (very scary to hear church leaders going on like that – what is scaring them so much)
    .-= april´s last blog ..Random Post (I’m trying) =-.

    • http://goodgoog.com Zoey @ Good Goog

      A friend of mine on Twitter had this to say about it. Very apt I think

      Yeah, way to exude confidence in your belief by attacking those who believe differently. Good one Christians. And I am one.

      http://twitter.com/kevinkoskinen/statuses/11510816111

  • http://squigglemum.com SquiggleMum

    I’m humbled by your words Zoey. Thank you for allowing me to share my heart with you, even though our choices and ultimately our beliefs are different. Cath. xx

    PS – I <3 you for putting SquiggleMum and "kick-ass awesomeness" in the same sentence!!
    .-= SquiggleMum´s last blog ..Sacrifice =-.

    • http://goodgoog.com Zoey @ Good Goog

      Thanks Cath! I think there are so many instances where beliefs can align, it’s great to focus on those rather than the differences.

  • http://livefirstwritelater.blogspot.com Marilyn at live first, write later

    Thank you for these words Zoey, as a Catholic trying to follow this faith down to its depths, it’s really great to hear the ‘other side’ presented in such a thoughtful way. I really like people’s comments too, you’ve started a great discussion.

    I must say that I know Bishop Fisher reasonably well – he is much more sensitive to history and cultures than can come across in one speech.

    If I were a bishop, I’ll tell you what my homily/speech would be about at Easter – Celebrating LIFE in all its glory, celebrating humanity’s stubborn and constant attempts to find meaning in tragedy, and urging everyone to do what they can to ease the sufferings of others. Mine would a happy speech I might break into a song and dance routine if I felt so inclined – that sums up the feeling of Easter for me.
    .-= Marilyn at live first, write later´s last blog ..Beautiful Blogger and One Lovely Blog awards =-.

    • http://goodgoog.com Zoey @ Good Goog

      Thanks Marilyn. I understand that somebody’s entire philosophy can’t be represented in one speech and that these excerpts were most likely taken so as to make the words as controversial as possible.

      I like your idea for a homily at Easter. I’m really enjoying your Newspaper column in the Catholic Weekly too. So many of the Christian (and Catholic) ideals are pretty universal.

  • http://www.science-at-home.org Deb

    As an atheist I was very upset about the church leaders comments, and have spent much of the weekend participating in a wonderful online discussion. I do find it hard to understand that on one of the most important Christian holy times atheism is what they chose to attack.

    I’ve always considered my atheism a leap of faith (although others don’t, there’s a huge philosophical discussion on it) but it is not a religion, there is a crucial difference. That is that all relgions or denominations have some sort of common beliefs – it’s what makes you an Anglican rather than a Catholic for example. Atheism doesn’t have that. My beliefs are just that, and may be completely different to every other atheist.

    And Treacy – I generally enjoy friendly, respectful discussions. I know there are attacks on both sides. But at the moment it’s hard to understand why I should be the tolerant one. My beliefs have just been lied about, attacked and made directly responsible for mass murder. To give an equivalent religious example, I’ve not seen anyone say some Catholic priests have raped children because they are Catholic. I’ve not seen anyone say all Catholics are rapists. And I’ve never seen Catholicism blamed for all rapes that occur. But that is what is being said about Atheists. That’s a fair bit worse than bagging.
    .-= Deb´s last blog ..13 Things to Ponder at Easter =-.

    • http://goodgoog.com Zoey @ Good Goog

      I agree – there is a huge difference between atheism and other religions in that it isn’t an institution – or a common belief system.

      I believe in the importance of separation of church and state. I think it’s vital, particularly in such a multicultural society. And some of the comments seemed to be very judgmental of this. It’s easy to look at the world’s problems and say ‘Look, there! All those people who are completely different and completely unrelated to me! It’s their fault.’ This is s tendency not just exemplified by the Church leaders this Easter but by our political parties, media and advocacy groups. Which is very worrying. I’d like to see a bit more of an intelligent conversation than that.

  • http://ceaselesspraises.blogspot.com Carrie

    Aw, Zoey, thank you so much for your kind words – I’m so honored that you mentioned me in your post, and I think the respect you have for others’ beliefs is very admirable.

    I think it is so interesting to me that you say you think deep down you believe in a higher power, but you don’t want your life wrapped around it. And I am still praying for you. :)
    .-= Carrie´s last blog ..The Gospel According to LOST =-.

    • http://goodgoog.com Zoey @ Good Goog

      Thank Carrie.

      Yes, I agree it is interesting ;o) For me, my relationship to religion and spirituality is very, very complicated. Perhaps it shouldn’t be, but it is. I wasn’t raised in a Christian environment, but I was raised in a religious one. And it is very hard for me to know what I believe. Do I believe it because it’s true, or do I believe it because I was raised that way? Needless to say – impossible to boil it down into one comment.

      But for me, I’m really happy with the way things are.

  • http://www.thefeministbreeder.com TheFeministBreeder

    Yep – Agnostic/Atheist over here too. I grew up a “saved” Southern Baptist though — the kind that went to bible camp with friends’ parents and shouted “Hallelujah!” in church on Sundays.

    As much as I loved the community and sense of being part of something bigger, I also do remember being greatly annoyed at “religion” at a very early age. When the Sunday school teacher asked what we wanted to be when we grew up, I raised my hand and told her I wanted to be a preacher. She said that I couldn’t be one, because “Only boys are allowed to be preachers.” Right then, something about religion started seeming pretty dang oppressive to me.

    Over the years, I really lost all faith in that sort of thing. What’s odd is that I have TON of Faithful blog readers, which always makes me feel kinda strange – like they might go to hell for reading my blasphemous blog or something. lol. Anyway – yeah – Easter. Chocolate and eggs and family – that’s all it means to me.
    .-= TheFeministBreeder´s last blog ..TFB is Interviewed about Feminism & Social Media =-.

    • http://goodgoog.com Zoey @ Good Goog

      I went to scripture classes during High School (it was compulsory at that time, don’t think it is now). And was told that I ‘was going to burn in hell’. I think it was because I suggested that the reason Christian prophets saw God in a different form to Hindu prophets was because their visions were based on the context of their cultural environment. But then, she also thought that any person who participated in or saw Jesus Christ Superstar was also going to burn in hell. So I’m not sure she was a balanced teacher.

  • http://wisdomofthemoon.blogspot.com/ Wendy

    I myself am Buddhist, but also open to wise spirituality whatever its source. When you study more than one religion, you usually find that there are many overlapping principles between them (especially considering that Christians, Jews and Muslims share the same holy books; they just believe different parts of it).

    And a lot of atheists have gotten together in a movement known as Humanism, the idea that at our core, we are all good people who ultimately want the same things… peace, health and happiness. We all want food in our bellies, loved ones to surround us and an end to suffering.

    In case you’re interested, here’s a Buddhist prayer that I say daily…

    May I be free from suffering and the root of suffering. May I experience true happiness and the root of true happiness.
    May my family be free from suffering and the root of suffering. May my family experience true happiness and the root of true happiness.
    May my friends be free from suffering and the root of suffering. May my friends experience true happiness and the root of true happiness.
    May my acquaintances be free from suffering and the root of suffering. May my acquaintances experience true happiness and the root of true happiness.
    May my enemies be free from suffering and the root of suffering. May my enemies experiences true happiness and the root of true happiness.
    May all beings be free from suffering and the root of suffering. May all beings experience true happiness and the root of true happiness.

    Happy Easter!
    .-= Wendy´s last blog ..Wakey Wakey, Let’s Have Cakey* =-.

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